River Blossom should win her race and Saltoro is my choice in a very competitive race.
Antonios should be able to win the cup.
chanakya
9/05/2009
9/04/2009
9/03/2009
some stray thoughts...
Some stray thoughts and some opinions – all my own…
Long ago , pre-independence days my English teacher – an Englishman used to quote some proverbs some of which ,I can not forget , even today. One of them intrigued most of us at that age and that was : ‘Sun never sets on English Empire’ . we hardly knew how big our own country was – knowing about British Empire was out of our comprehension and like most obedient student we used to nod our head in agreement with all his sayings and opinions…
Independence came , time passed- school to college to University to real time world – where truth could become a causality and pretensions become a norm evolved as a life pattern.
Sun never sets on (or in) British empire – though a proverb, but was a Universal truth till US and Canada wriggled out of it before 1850AD, a part of Latin America was still under the hegemony of England and though we did not know the meaning of longitudes and latitudes at that time my teacher was still correct- though not technically, but euphemistically.
This brings me to another controversial issue – horses are not machines. Almost 90% of race goers believe that , horses are not machines. I don’t accept it.
British people have given many standards to the world – pound(to measure weight and a unit of money) , Ounce, inch, foot, yard and of course horse power- a unit to a measure the power or energy or work done or force. I don’t like to become technically very correct , because I’m not writing a scientific research paper!
They used this word or ‘unit’ to measure or calculate power of machines, steam engines and many other mechanically moving objects(machines) by using a feature – a standard output of an animal called horse. I’ll not talk physics or science but will emphasize only the fact that they discovered that a horse ( farm horse or standard bred or andulician or a thoroughbred – they were just evolving at that time) produces an output of ’energy’ which is measurable and almost constant , to be used as a standard to measure power, energy . Horsepower , was used till it was replaced by -joule, erg etc.
It is still being used in some British standards.
Should we call those people fools- ignorant,and immature, who used a horse as a standard to measure power and almost called them ‘mammalian machines’
Why do we say that horses are not machines… why don’t we accept that it is the homo sapiens - another kind of animal, who manipulates these ‘mammalian machines’ to fool others of their species…
Think with a cool mind and post a reply – if you agree and I’ll welcome a response if you disagree – but with a logical ,reasoned out response – not for me, but for other readers who may appreciate the fallacy or the wrong representation of a truth by me .
Long ago , pre-independence days my English teacher – an Englishman used to quote some proverbs some of which ,I can not forget , even today. One of them intrigued most of us at that age and that was : ‘Sun never sets on English Empire’ . we hardly knew how big our own country was – knowing about British Empire was out of our comprehension and like most obedient student we used to nod our head in agreement with all his sayings and opinions…
Independence came , time passed- school to college to University to real time world – where truth could become a causality and pretensions become a norm evolved as a life pattern.
Sun never sets on (or in) British empire – though a proverb, but was a Universal truth till US and Canada wriggled out of it before 1850AD, a part of Latin America was still under the hegemony of England and though we did not know the meaning of longitudes and latitudes at that time my teacher was still correct- though not technically, but euphemistically.
This brings me to another controversial issue – horses are not machines. Almost 90% of race goers believe that , horses are not machines. I don’t accept it.
British people have given many standards to the world – pound(to measure weight and a unit of money) , Ounce, inch, foot, yard and of course horse power- a unit to a measure the power or energy or work done or force. I don’t like to become technically very correct , because I’m not writing a scientific research paper!
They used this word or ‘unit’ to measure or calculate power of machines, steam engines and many other mechanically moving objects(machines) by using a feature – a standard output of an animal called horse. I’ll not talk physics or science but will emphasize only the fact that they discovered that a horse ( farm horse or standard bred or andulician or a thoroughbred – they were just evolving at that time) produces an output of ’energy’ which is measurable and almost constant , to be used as a standard to measure power, energy . Horsepower , was used till it was replaced by -joule, erg etc.
It is still being used in some British standards.
Should we call those people fools- ignorant,and immature, who used a horse as a standard to measure power and almost called them ‘mammalian machines’
Why do we say that horses are not machines… why don’t we accept that it is the homo sapiens - another kind of animal, who manipulates these ‘mammalian machines’ to fool others of their species…
Think with a cool mind and post a reply – if you agree and I’ll welcome a response if you disagree – but with a logical ,reasoned out response – not for me, but for other readers who may appreciate the fallacy or the wrong representation of a truth by me .
9/02/2009
new posts- specific topics
though I'm busy on a specific project- improving my handicapping system, I've decided to write on sometopics of general interest- which are:
a)stray thoughts and opinions on racing - short , one or two paras on current recing scene...
b)handicapping systems, methods and some basic info about them...
c)analysis of some promising youngsters...
d)pre-race and post race opinions about selected races a t various centers...
e)any other topic of topical interest...
readers are requested to make suggestions ,if they feel strongly about any specific point...
a)stray thoughts and opinions on racing - short , one or two paras on current recing scene...
b)handicapping systems, methods and some basic info about them...
c)analysis of some promising youngsters...
d)pre-race and post race opinions about selected races a t various centers...
e)any other topic of topical interest...
readers are requested to make suggestions ,if they feel strongly about any specific point...
8/24/2009
BABBLE NO II
Dear Mr . Gosavi ,
I tried to post it on your blog but due to its length it could not be accepted there, hence forced to post it here.
I would like to be civil with you though you have given no reason to be so, but for the last time I’ll ignore your remarks like babbler, stupid, incoherent and so on. I can assure you that without using any dirty, four -letter or abusive word I can also be very nasty with words, by using a very civilized language and format.
It is strange that a person Vasha writes at 6.55AM and you respond immediately, after 3 minutes only, at 6. 58 AM with a reply as if waiting for a response of that kind and to another anonymous letter at 11.44AM your response comes at 12.12 pm – 28 minutes later! You are certainly very sincere with some of your responders though selectively, and this must have made you very popular.
But I do have an issue with you. Your selections of words many times are wrong , inappropriate and misleading and shows lack of knowledge of the language you use . Example, Vasha says ‘ chanakya has abused you’ . Without knowing where and what abuse Chanakya has used you promptly reply within 3 minutes . though same Vasha fails to read –babble, babbler, stupid , incoherent etc. words used by you on a site , which perhaps he never visits – may be due to selective or filtered memory circuits ,very popular in electonics! Another example, take the word ‘lie’ which you have used has two entirely different meanings. What you perhaps meant, inferring from the context of your posting , was – to say or write something which is not true or to say some thing to deceive somebody ,etc.
What did I write about you , I’ll reproduce now – “Another point projected by a real expert was that the winner did better time in last furlong than the loser. Well, Dr. Watson, it is elementary because a runner who is 2 ½ lengths behind the leading runner at 200m has to move faster and better to catch and beat the leader and do better fraction to win the race! “. Is it an abuse,an accusation ,a lie or a truthful statement – I leave it for your readers to decide.
I thought you are a ‘real expert’ , but if you think otherwise I’ve no objection at all.
I’m sure you also know the difference between lie and lies and that brings us to another point – your statements only: ‘… does not mean I will let you get away with outright lies’
An amusing , provocative a bit uncivilized phrase or a statement without any substance . what lie or lies have you discovered in any of the statements made by me – could you explicitly bring out for the benefit of your readers…
To quote you verbatim :
"It is a matter of conjecture why Set Alight on this occasion, despite racing in leisurely pace, could not produce three sub-12s in the last four furlongs. The reasons, generally, are lack of class, health or stamina. Since we all know Set Alight is stuffed with class every ounce, it could be either health or stamina.If it is health, she may not race for a long time now; if it is stamina, we will have to wait for confirmation until she runs 12 furlongs or more against worthy rivals.
what is class? How you define it , how you prove it she is ‘stuffed with class’. Set Alight(rating 117) beats in 2m 28.8 seconds –Icebreaker(108),D Dynamite(113) etc. and gets beaten by Antonios(72). Is your statement true or a lie? Health is another point raised by you- she did 17 tracks in 30 days adding up to 27 kilometers+ before participating in Derby . Is it a lie that she literally ran a mile every alternate day to show that she did not have a health problem. She ran a 2400m race in 2m 28.8 s breaking the course record of earlier Derby runners – is this fact also a lie?
‘A new dimension is being added…’ . You raise a issue of health after 4 months of her defeat and want everyone to believe , without any iota of proof and want everyone to believe. You are fond of asking others to check up before they write anything – did you check up with , Pessi, Malesh(included), Zeyen Mirza or Vijay Mallya before you ‘ wrote this phrase’ . I’ll not impute any motive to you for using this phrase. I’ll also not call it a lie but let it lie where it is .
Then what is the lie? Where does it lie or exists - please find out and let your readers know about it. Furthermore ,Could you produce the data of last 4 or 5 Derby winners who have done sub 12s times to win the race. You have facility to find out split fractional times, algorithm software to analyse some or all ( I’m not sure) parameters and is in a much better position than me to help out your friends, readers and admirers . I’m sure you will not disappoint them.
I tried to post it on your blog but due to its length it could not be accepted there, hence forced to post it here.
I would like to be civil with you though you have given no reason to be so, but for the last time I’ll ignore your remarks like babbler, stupid, incoherent and so on. I can assure you that without using any dirty, four -letter or abusive word I can also be very nasty with words, by using a very civilized language and format.
It is strange that a person Vasha writes at 6.55AM and you respond immediately, after 3 minutes only, at 6. 58 AM with a reply as if waiting for a response of that kind and to another anonymous letter at 11.44AM your response comes at 12.12 pm – 28 minutes later! You are certainly very sincere with some of your responders though selectively, and this must have made you very popular.
But I do have an issue with you. Your selections of words many times are wrong , inappropriate and misleading and shows lack of knowledge of the language you use . Example, Vasha says ‘ chanakya has abused you’ . Without knowing where and what abuse Chanakya has used you promptly reply within 3 minutes . though same Vasha fails to read –babble, babbler, stupid , incoherent etc. words used by you on a site , which perhaps he never visits – may be due to selective or filtered memory circuits ,very popular in electonics! Another example, take the word ‘lie’ which you have used has two entirely different meanings. What you perhaps meant, inferring from the context of your posting , was – to say or write something which is not true or to say some thing to deceive somebody ,etc.
What did I write about you , I’ll reproduce now – “Another point projected by a real expert was that the winner did better time in last furlong than the loser. Well, Dr. Watson, it is elementary because a runner who is 2 ½ lengths behind the leading runner at 200m has to move faster and better to catch and beat the leader and do better fraction to win the race! “. Is it an abuse,an accusation ,a lie or a truthful statement – I leave it for your readers to decide.
I thought you are a ‘real expert’ , but if you think otherwise I’ve no objection at all.
I’m sure you also know the difference between lie and lies and that brings us to another point – your statements only: ‘… does not mean I will let you get away with outright lies’
An amusing , provocative a bit uncivilized phrase or a statement without any substance . what lie or lies have you discovered in any of the statements made by me – could you explicitly bring out for the benefit of your readers…
To quote you verbatim :
"It is a matter of conjecture why Set Alight on this occasion, despite racing in leisurely pace, could not produce three sub-12s in the last four furlongs. The reasons, generally, are lack of class, health or stamina. Since we all know Set Alight is stuffed with class every ounce, it could be either health or stamina.If it is health, she may not race for a long time now; if it is stamina, we will have to wait for confirmation until she runs 12 furlongs or more against worthy rivals.
what is class? How you define it , how you prove it she is ‘stuffed with class’. Set Alight(rating 117) beats in 2m 28.8 seconds –Icebreaker(108),D Dynamite(113) etc. and gets beaten by Antonios(72). Is your statement true or a lie? Health is another point raised by you- she did 17 tracks in 30 days adding up to 27 kilometers+ before participating in Derby . Is it a lie that she literally ran a mile every alternate day to show that she did not have a health problem. She ran a 2400m race in 2m 28.8 s breaking the course record of earlier Derby runners – is this fact also a lie?
‘A new dimension is being added…’ . You raise a issue of health after 4 months of her defeat and want everyone to believe , without any iota of proof and want everyone to believe. You are fond of asking others to check up before they write anything – did you check up with , Pessi, Malesh(included), Zeyen Mirza or Vijay Mallya before you ‘ wrote this phrase’ . I’ll not impute any motive to you for using this phrase. I’ll also not call it a lie but let it lie where it is .
Then what is the lie? Where does it lie or exists - please find out and let your readers know about it. Furthermore ,Could you produce the data of last 4 or 5 Derby winners who have done sub 12s times to win the race. You have facility to find out split fractional times, algorithm software to analyse some or all ( I’m not sure) parameters and is in a much better position than me to help out your friends, readers and admirers . I’m sure you will not disappoint them.
8/22/2009
babblers babble has more meaning...
The babblers babble makes less amusing reading than the experts rabble to dazzle by losing credibility by offering ‘smart’(not stupid) selections and trying to prove himself correct.
It is astonishing to note from which unknown source or write up or conversation our expert has picked up that Set Alight is the greatest filly ever raced in India declared by ‘some’ except from a statement made by me after her second successive defeat- sometime around 19 August 2009 while she has been winning races since feb 2008. It needs guts to say that and the conviction it carries and not the hearsay or fictitious opinion of some persecuted and prejudiced and disgraced jockeys.
Indian Triple crown is made up of Indian 2000G, Indian Derby and Indian St. Leger and ‘losing the second leg of triple crown ‘ does not mean that the runner has ‘won’ the first leg. If a person who claims to have been a part Indian horseracing scenerio for last few decades has to be explicitly told about these small things – only God can save Indian racing .
A new dimension is being innocuously added now that ‘ on Derby day she may have had some health issues’ Great – new dimension . A new topic for debate to skirt away the main issue . Hats off to the inventor of this new info and proves the dictum- human imagination has no bounds , nay , no limits …
It is astonishing to note from which unknown source or write up or conversation our expert has picked up that Set Alight is the greatest filly ever raced in India declared by ‘some’ except from a statement made by me after her second successive defeat- sometime around 19 August 2009 while she has been winning races since feb 2008. It needs guts to say that and the conviction it carries and not the hearsay or fictitious opinion of some persecuted and prejudiced and disgraced jockeys.
Indian Triple crown is made up of Indian 2000G, Indian Derby and Indian St. Leger and ‘losing the second leg of triple crown ‘ does not mean that the runner has ‘won’ the first leg. If a person who claims to have been a part Indian horseracing scenerio for last few decades has to be explicitly told about these small things – only God can save Indian racing .
A new dimension is being innocuously added now that ‘ on Derby day she may have had some health issues’ Great – new dimension . A new topic for debate to skirt away the main issue . Hats off to the inventor of this new info and proves the dictum- human imagination has no bounds , nay , no limits …
response to tiger
Tiger,
I don’t know your exact name - my mistake, but though you have raised some very valid points , the issues still remain.
We are not here to play a blame game but to find out the reasons for the failure of one of the ‘best performed’ runner of the season till 11th. April 2009!
Runners lose and win races ,all will agree but Squanderer’s and Elusive Pimpernel’s single loss becomes a matter of discussion, not by the punters but by few who take racing seriously and do not use ‘gimmicks’ to promote themselves.
Malesh, Pessi and few others can not be absolved of the Derby loss because this race can be compared frame by frame with other runs of this runner and the rides of the rider where he won on some of his mounts for a specific owner. . The rate of push, the speed, the posture in various races where he won and lost is available in public domain recorded in CDs and DVD’s . I’ve all of them.
Most of the Derby winners did not have a ‘pacemaker’ except MAM and you know a pace maker Noble Eagle – who changed his ownership few days before Derby and reverted to Original owner after Derby - has won the Derby . There was no hue and cry because the calculations of connections had gone awry!
Re : her run at Hyderabad ; she was ‘rested’ for almost 5 months – did not run a race during this period, and had few track works –published in race books or newspapers . these few tracks could not have ‘dulled’ her ‘ability’ as you said in 14 days she had several (perhaps 5 or 6 or 7 works) and travelled from Pune to Hyderabad.
Reminds me of another breed of thoroughbreds who run in USA . They have their Triple Crown races in May/June for 3 yeaonly -named Kentucky Derby(2000m), Preakness Stakes(1900m) and Belmont Stakes (2400m) and all the participants move from one center to other and some of them win one or two legs of this triple crown and ofcourse one lucky thoroughbred does win all three legs . The time period for all the three classics is as small as three weeks – i.e., a runner has to run once in 8 days and beat others .
In India , we pamper or coddle most of these TBs and find excuses for their defeat.
Mr. P rakash Gosavi , in his wisdom, has made several ‘amusing’ remarks .Perhaps he is undergoing crash course in English language with the help of a English professor! He is not able to read or understand correctly written words and calls them babble and those who write them as babblers .Well, I don’t want to use this blog for an reply and will use my own blog for a response and if Mr Gosavi desires it can be posted on his blog too- verbatim!
PS: I tried to post above on Tigers blog but inspite of giving my correct email ID and even the password it was 'rejected' .I don't know- why? Therfore, forced to publish here.
I don’t know your exact name - my mistake, but though you have raised some very valid points , the issues still remain.
We are not here to play a blame game but to find out the reasons for the failure of one of the ‘best performed’ runner of the season till 11th. April 2009!
Runners lose and win races ,all will agree but Squanderer’s and Elusive Pimpernel’s single loss becomes a matter of discussion, not by the punters but by few who take racing seriously and do not use ‘gimmicks’ to promote themselves.
Malesh, Pessi and few others can not be absolved of the Derby loss because this race can be compared frame by frame with other runs of this runner and the rides of the rider where he won on some of his mounts for a specific owner. . The rate of push, the speed, the posture in various races where he won and lost is available in public domain recorded in CDs and DVD’s . I’ve all of them.
Most of the Derby winners did not have a ‘pacemaker’ except MAM and you know a pace maker Noble Eagle – who changed his ownership few days before Derby and reverted to Original owner after Derby - has won the Derby . There was no hue and cry because the calculations of connections had gone awry!
Re : her run at Hyderabad ; she was ‘rested’ for almost 5 months – did not run a race during this period, and had few track works –published in race books or newspapers . these few tracks could not have ‘dulled’ her ‘ability’ as you said in 14 days she had several (perhaps 5 or 6 or 7 works) and travelled from Pune to Hyderabad.
Reminds me of another breed of thoroughbreds who run in USA . They have their Triple Crown races in May/June for 3 yeaonly -named Kentucky Derby(2000m), Preakness Stakes(1900m) and Belmont Stakes (2400m) and all the participants move from one center to other and some of them win one or two legs of this triple crown and ofcourse one lucky thoroughbred does win all three legs . The time period for all the three classics is as small as three weeks – i.e., a runner has to run once in 8 days and beat others .
In India , we pamper or coddle most of these TBs and find excuses for their defeat.
Mr. P rakash Gosavi , in his wisdom, has made several ‘amusing’ remarks .Perhaps he is undergoing crash course in English language with the help of a English professor! He is not able to read or understand correctly written words and calls them babble and those who write them as babblers .Well, I don’t want to use this blog for an reply and will use my own blog for a response and if Mr Gosavi desires it can be posted on his blog too- verbatim!
PS: I tried to post above on Tigers blog but inspite of giving my correct email ID and even the password it was 'rejected' .I don't know- why? Therfore, forced to publish here.
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